1 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,019 Hi. 2 00:01:21,020 --> 00:01:22,012 Oh sorry, man. 3 00:01:24,048 --> 00:01:25,083 Did I wake you up? 4 00:01:25,084 --> 00:01:27,047 No, no, no you're good. 5 00:01:27,048 --> 00:01:29,007 I made some coffee, you want some? 6 00:01:29,008 --> 00:01:30,084 Uh sure. 7 00:01:36,052 --> 00:01:39,003 Do you want some milk, some sugar? 8 00:01:39,004 --> 00:01:40,004 No thanks. 9 00:01:43,092 --> 00:01:47,059 So how you getting on with Harold? 10 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:48,044 Harry. 11 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:50,043 Oh great man. 12 00:01:50,044 --> 00:01:52,011 He's a really good boy. 13 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:52,096 Yeah. 14 00:01:53,096 --> 00:01:54,079 Yeah he's great. 15 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,087 They can be hard work though, sometimes, 16 00:01:56,088 --> 00:01:57,076 can't they, kids? 17 00:01:59,016 --> 00:01:59,999 Yeah. 18 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,999 He comes to stay here quite a bit. 19 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,059 Give his mum a break 20 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:07,084 and I mean, he can be a right little sod. 21 00:02:10,036 --> 00:02:12,040 The amount of times that I have nearly. 22 00:02:17,004 --> 00:02:17,088 You know? 23 00:02:21,004 --> 00:02:22,075 But that's the deal isn't it? 24 00:02:22,076 --> 00:02:24,083 As a parent, or uncle, or anyone really 25 00:02:24,084 --> 00:02:26,004 who's in charge of kids. 26 00:02:29,008 --> 00:02:31,064 You got to be better than that. 27 00:02:35,072 --> 00:02:36,056 Yeah. 28 00:02:39,008 --> 00:02:41,015 So those no obvious connection in the three cases 29 00:02:41,016 --> 00:02:42,095 at the CPS and the noise handling 30 00:02:42,096 --> 00:02:46,031 the Statham Collins and Dornish cases were all different. 31 00:02:46,032 --> 00:02:47,043 And? 32 00:02:47,044 --> 00:02:50,019 And Statham was attacked in early 2015. 33 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:52,051 Why would the assailant then wait over two years 34 00:02:52,052 --> 00:02:54,027 before attacking two more in as many days? 35 00:02:54,028 --> 00:02:55,087 I don't know, I just. 36 00:02:55,088 --> 00:02:58,027 I just think its significant 37 00:02:58,028 --> 00:03:00,023 that all three were attacked in ways 38 00:03:00,024 --> 00:03:03,031 that inflicted fairly uniquely appalling violence. 39 00:03:03,032 --> 00:03:04,071 All I'm saying is, why does it necessarily 40 00:03:04,072 --> 00:03:05,067 have to be one person 41 00:03:05,068 --> 00:03:08,003 rather than one idea done by several people? 42 00:03:08,004 --> 00:03:09,071 You got any theories who? 43 00:03:09,072 --> 00:03:11,003 Yeah I think we have to keep looking 44 00:03:11,004 --> 00:03:12,079 at family connections, friends of friends. 45 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,051 Maybe an organized group of vigilantes. 46 00:03:14,052 --> 00:03:17,064 Absolutely, I'm just saying. 47 00:03:18,076 --> 00:03:20,095 I see a very distinct rage. 48 00:03:20,096 --> 00:03:22,032 See one or recognize one? 49 00:03:28,096 --> 00:03:31,024 Sorry, that just, sorry. 50 00:03:35,020 --> 00:03:38,055 If I'm right, we have a man in jail 51 00:03:38,056 --> 00:03:41,072 in Nico Kashell who can tell us who owns that rage. 52 00:03:43,004 --> 00:03:46,039 Right, I have to go visit my old governor. 53 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,019 I've got to be there at three o'clock 54 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,083 and in the meantime, can you get me, 55 00:03:49,084 --> 00:03:52,023 or someone get me Kashall's home address, please. 56 00:03:52,024 --> 00:03:54,003 Yeah do you want me to set up an interview with his wife? 57 00:03:54,004 --> 00:03:55,072 Oh no, just the address for now. 58 00:03:57,048 --> 00:03:58,047 I could of never of done such horrible things 59 00:03:58,048 --> 00:03:59,056 to anyone, Lisa. 60 00:04:00,076 --> 00:04:01,096 Let alone a child. 61 00:04:04,052 --> 00:04:07,015 Which is why their case is collapsing 62 00:04:07,016 --> 00:04:09,060 because I've been the victim of an injustice. 63 00:04:12,084 --> 00:04:13,072 All I'm asking now 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,043 is if we could just put the last six months 65 00:04:17,044 --> 00:04:19,084 behind us and get on with the rest of our lives. 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,047 You know what surprises me more than anything, Mark? 67 00:04:26,048 --> 00:04:29,019 More than you being out even 68 00:04:29,020 --> 00:04:31,071 its you thinking I would ever want 69 00:04:31,072 --> 00:04:33,015 to spend a moment more with you 70 00:04:33,016 --> 00:04:35,047 than these few minutes now. 71 00:04:35,048 --> 00:04:36,032 I sat in court. 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,012 I heard the charges. 73 00:04:42,048 --> 00:04:44,084 I wept for that poor child and her family. 74 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,012 I wished you could go to prison for life. 75 00:04:55,028 --> 00:04:56,999 I'm so ashamed of every having had 76 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,016 any feelings for you 77 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,052 and I want you to leave now. 78 00:05:17,044 --> 00:05:20,072 I only wanted a place to keep anyway. 79 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,028 I'll see you around, Lisa. 80 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,028 Promise you that. 81 00:05:35,052 --> 00:05:36,036 Bitch. 82 00:06:06,036 --> 00:06:08,003 Hello, William. 83 00:06:08,004 --> 00:06:09,019 Alright, boss. 84 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:10,004 Hey. 85 00:06:11,096 --> 00:06:13,047 Yeah, good to see you. 86 00:06:13,048 --> 00:06:15,056 Alright, don't overdo it. 87 00:06:16,096 --> 00:06:18,008 - In you go. - Oh, thank you. 88 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,031 Sorry about the mess. 89 00:06:24,032 --> 00:06:26,063 I was never one for the old domice decency. 90 00:06:26,064 --> 00:06:28,059 Sandra used to do all that. 91 00:06:28,060 --> 00:06:29,083 Yeah, sorry to hear about that. 92 00:06:29,084 --> 00:06:32,035 Yeah well, they all piss off in the end, 93 00:06:32,036 --> 00:06:33,087 won't they? 94 00:06:33,088 --> 00:06:36,051 Can hardly blame them really, can we? 95 00:06:36,052 --> 00:06:37,059 - Coffee? - Oh no. 96 00:06:37,060 --> 00:06:39,015 - Tea? - no, I'm fine. 97 00:06:39,016 --> 00:06:40,091 A little sharpener. 98 00:06:40,092 --> 00:06:42,092 I have to be back in town at five, so. 99 00:06:50,092 --> 00:06:52,039 How are you? 100 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,063 Yeah, I'm good. 101 00:06:54,064 --> 00:06:55,079 Two years clear now. 102 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,047 So fingers crossed. 103 00:06:58,048 --> 00:06:59,072 Its great to hear that. 104 00:07:02,024 --> 00:07:03,008 Sit. 105 00:07:08,096 --> 00:07:10,096 So, fire away. 106 00:07:12,004 --> 00:07:13,083 You wanted to hear about the Statham case. 107 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:16,039 Yeah, yeah I just want to see if there's a link 108 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,023 between that and two new cases. 109 00:07:18,024 --> 00:07:21,079 One GBH, one murder, both on unconvinced pedophiles. 110 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,023 A link? 111 00:07:23,024 --> 00:07:26,091 Well you mean, it can't be the perpetrator, 112 00:07:26,092 --> 00:07:29,015 Statham's man is doing an eight stretch, isn't he? 113 00:07:29,016 --> 00:07:30,079 Nico Kashall, yeah. 114 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,035 Actually if we can come back to him. 115 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:36,031 First, I just want to ask you, 116 00:07:36,032 --> 00:07:39,003 why do you think the CPS didn't prosecute Statham 117 00:07:39,004 --> 00:07:40,035 for the sexual assault? 118 00:07:40,036 --> 00:07:42,032 Well the evidence wasn't brilliant. 119 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,063 Why waste time trying to convict a 30 70 case 120 00:07:46,064 --> 00:07:48,091 when you a convict half a dozen 80 20 cases 121 00:07:48,092 --> 00:07:49,088 for the same money? 122 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,064 Okay. 123 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,060 And in terms of Kashall, 124 00:07:57,092 --> 00:07:59,048 you think it was definitely him 125 00:08:00,032 --> 00:08:01,036 who attacked Statham? 126 00:08:02,056 --> 00:08:03,091 He confessed, Will. 127 00:08:03,092 --> 00:08:07,023 Yeah, people confess for all sorts of reasons, 128 00:08:07,024 --> 00:08:08,019 don't they? 129 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,032 Its not always cause they did it. 130 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,067 His car was photographed half a mile 131 00:08:16,068 --> 00:08:19,079 from Statham's house and hour before the attack. 132 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,031 We found carpet fibers similar to the carpet 133 00:08:22,032 --> 00:08:25,095 found in Statham's house inside Kashall's car. 134 00:08:25,096 --> 00:08:27,024 On the passenger's side. 135 00:08:34,008 --> 00:08:36,032 I'm not saying that he wasn't involved 136 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,056 in some way, I just. 137 00:08:40,076 --> 00:08:42,092 I don't buy him being the actual assailant. 138 00:08:44,092 --> 00:08:49,064 His little girl had been raped by this man, 139 00:08:50,088 --> 00:08:53,012 it destroyed their lives 140 00:08:54,072 --> 00:08:58,007 and the rage, Will, the rage he felt 141 00:08:58,008 --> 00:08:59,039 when he dropped the charges, 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,084 the rage we all felt. 143 00:09:04,012 --> 00:09:06,072 I believe 100% he could of done what he did. 144 00:09:13,088 --> 00:09:15,016 Give it up, fella. 145 00:09:16,068 --> 00:09:18,031 Eh? 146 00:09:18,032 --> 00:09:21,088 Cause the shape, the order you're looking for 147 00:09:23,052 --> 00:09:25,040 it doesn't exist. 148 00:09:27,024 --> 00:09:32,024 The world is random, chaotic, 149 00:09:34,020 --> 00:09:35,004 and cruel. 150 00:09:37,032 --> 00:09:38,096 And you know that better than most. 151 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:45,059 Gov, its Josie. 152 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:47,015 Just text you the Kashall home address 153 00:09:47,016 --> 00:09:49,027 but his wife's not back until six. 154 00:09:49,028 --> 00:09:51,048 Let me know if you want me to set up an interview. 155 00:11:21,008 --> 00:11:22,087 If Kashall's wife had known I would of coming, 156 00:11:22,088 --> 00:11:23,071 she could of wiped it. 157 00:11:23,072 --> 00:11:25,023 Wiped what? 158 00:11:25,024 --> 00:11:27,003 We don't even know there's anything on it. 159 00:11:27,004 --> 00:11:30,011 If I'm right and Kashall is doing someone's else 160 00:11:30,012 --> 00:11:32,031 time, then his wife must of known. 161 00:11:32,032 --> 00:11:33,035 In fact, my guess is she would of been in on it. 162 00:11:33,036 --> 00:11:35,023 So female's address books contacts 163 00:11:35,024 --> 00:11:37,003 is a good place to start. 164 00:11:37,004 --> 00:11:38,003 Expect anything you do find 165 00:11:38,004 --> 00:11:38,087 you won't be able to use because you got 166 00:11:38,088 --> 00:11:40,019 the information illegal. 167 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:41,007 Josie. 168 00:11:41,008 --> 00:11:43,015 There are gonna be more deaths unless we catch the killer 169 00:11:43,016 --> 00:11:44,015 so does that really matter? 170 00:11:44,016 --> 00:11:45,000 Yes. 171 00:11:47,028 --> 00:11:49,015 Fine, I'll do it myself. 172 00:11:49,016 --> 00:11:50,024 I'll do it. 173 00:11:56,048 --> 00:11:57,999 I need to speak to the person at CPS 174 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,027 at who handled the Statham case. 175 00:11:59,028 --> 00:12:01,036 Can you set up a meeting? 176 00:12:24,016 --> 00:12:25,051 So I went through all her contacts, 177 00:12:25,052 --> 00:12:27,019 not surprisingly, there was no number listed 178 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:29,015 under Debbie Collins or Gale Watkins. 179 00:12:29,016 --> 00:12:31,019 So I went back and tried the initials DC and GW 180 00:12:31,020 --> 00:12:32,003 but given another name 181 00:12:32,004 --> 00:12:34,083 and that's when I found a number for Derek Collier. 182 00:12:34,084 --> 00:12:36,015 Did you ring it? 183 00:12:36,016 --> 00:12:37,011 And? 184 00:12:37,012 --> 00:12:38,032 Debbie Collins answered. 185 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,020 Yes. 186 00:12:44,016 --> 00:12:45,079 was there any Gale Watkins connection? 187 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,096 Not that I found yet. 188 00:12:48,064 --> 00:12:50,096 So you think it was actually them together or? 189 00:12:53,032 --> 00:12:54,067 I mean we have to run down both their alibis 190 00:12:54,068 --> 00:12:57,063 but seems unlikely, doesn't it? 191 00:12:57,064 --> 00:12:59,064 I mean they're both small in physically. 192 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:02,023 I doubt even together they could of overpowered 193 00:13:02,024 --> 00:13:03,008 any of those men. 194 00:13:05,032 --> 00:13:06,071 Its not impossible, I guess. 195 00:13:06,072 --> 00:13:08,004 Maybe they paid someone? 196 00:13:09,084 --> 00:13:12,055 Maybe but, but maybe they didn't want money. 197 00:13:12,056 --> 00:13:14,084 Maybe a sense of justice done was enough. 198 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,075 Justice done for who? 199 00:13:17,076 --> 00:13:18,087 For the families, yeah. 200 00:13:18,088 --> 00:13:21,047 But why would someone else do that for them? 201 00:13:21,048 --> 00:13:24,051 Commit such brutal assaults. 202 00:13:24,052 --> 00:13:25,044 Cause they could. 203 00:13:27,036 --> 00:13:29,040 Cause they were unhinged. 204 00:13:33,028 --> 00:13:35,076 Cause they understood that pain. 205 00:13:43,036 --> 00:13:46,003 It had nothing to do with a lack of evidence. 206 00:13:46,004 --> 00:13:48,071 If we think any case stands half a decent chance 207 00:13:48,072 --> 00:13:49,055 of success, 208 00:13:49,056 --> 00:13:51,031 particularly one as serious as Stathams, 209 00:13:51,032 --> 00:13:52,039 we take it trial 210 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,039 and in this instance, we authorize charges. 211 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,063 So why didn't it go? 212 00:13:56,064 --> 00:13:57,096 This is all in the files. 213 00:13:59,024 --> 00:14:01,084 It was the parents, they withdrew their cooperation. 214 00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:06,015 But who, sorry, they withdrew their cooperation? 215 00:14:06,016 --> 00:14:08,019 Yes, they didn't want their daughter to testify 216 00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:10,007 or to be examined by counsel 217 00:14:10,008 --> 00:14:12,083 despite all the special measures we put in place, 218 00:14:12,084 --> 00:14:15,071 they thought it would be too traumatic for her. 219 00:14:15,072 --> 00:14:16,067 We might of still secured a conviction 220 00:14:16,068 --> 00:14:19,015 but it would of made it extraordinarily difficult. 221 00:14:19,016 --> 00:14:21,039 Okay, okay. 222 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,083 I need to talk you about a couple other cases. 223 00:14:22,084 --> 00:14:23,067 Oh no, I'm sorry. 224 00:14:23,068 --> 00:14:24,047 I've got to go to a conference. 225 00:14:24,048 --> 00:14:26,040 Or you can just come down the station. 226 00:14:28,088 --> 00:14:30,083 Which cases? 227 00:14:30,084 --> 00:14:33,007 So turns out the parents in the Collins, Dornish, 228 00:14:33,008 --> 00:14:36,079 and Statham cases all caused them to collapse themselves 229 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,043 by withdrawing the cooperation of their children 230 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,047 from the police and the CPS within the same 231 00:14:40,048 --> 00:14:41,067 three month period. 232 00:14:41,068 --> 00:14:43,036 And why would anyone do that? 233 00:14:44,088 --> 00:14:47,075 Exactly, its completely counterintuitive 234 00:14:47,076 --> 00:14:50,047 unless you come at it from a different angle 235 00:14:50,048 --> 00:14:52,067 and ask yourselves if maybe 236 00:14:52,068 --> 00:14:56,031 they wanted to keep the suspects out of prison. 237 00:14:56,032 --> 00:14:57,012 Shit. 238 00:14:58,024 --> 00:14:59,075 They thought prison was a let off. 239 00:14:59,076 --> 00:15:02,008 Exactly. 240 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,071 I think this group of parents collectively 241 00:15:04,072 --> 00:15:06,999 decided on a far worse punishment 242 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,051 for their children's abuser. 243 00:15:08,052 --> 00:15:10,091 And did they justify this non cooperation 244 00:15:10,092 --> 00:15:12,011 to the CPS? 245 00:15:12,012 --> 00:15:13,071 They just, they just said it would be 246 00:15:13,072 --> 00:15:15,047 too traumatic for the kids. 247 00:15:15,048 --> 00:15:17,059 We need to speak to Debbie Collins again. 248 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:19,035 Yes and we need to get a warrant 249 00:15:19,036 --> 00:15:22,019 for Nico Kashall's house. 250 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:23,084 Its time to pay his wife a visit. 251 00:15:27,056 --> 00:15:29,031 So am I under arrest? 252 00:15:29,032 --> 00:15:30,039 No. 253 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,075 Greta, you're not under arrest. 254 00:15:32,076 --> 00:15:35,027 But I am gonna ask you some questions 255 00:15:35,028 --> 00:15:37,051 and I do have to caution and tell you 256 00:15:37,052 --> 00:15:38,091 that you don't have to say anything 257 00:15:38,092 --> 00:15:40,035 but it may harm your defense 258 00:15:40,036 --> 00:15:41,087 if you do not mention one question 259 00:15:41,088 --> 00:15:43,063 something later along in court 260 00:15:43,064 --> 00:15:45,076 and anything you do say may be used in evidence, okay? 261 00:15:46,096 --> 00:15:47,080 Yes. 262 00:15:49,012 --> 00:15:49,092 Okay. 263 00:15:51,048 --> 00:15:54,059 Why would you disguise Debbie's name 264 00:15:54,060 --> 00:15:55,087 unless you didn't want people to know you 265 00:15:55,088 --> 00:15:57,044 that you were connected to her? 266 00:15:58,032 --> 00:15:59,011 I don't know. 267 00:15:59,012 --> 00:16:03,015 Maybe I was worried when her husband got attacked. 268 00:16:03,016 --> 00:16:05,035 Worried that you might think you're involved. 269 00:16:05,036 --> 00:16:06,040 - Maybe. - Are you? 270 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,024 No. 271 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,080 So when did you last speak to her? 272 00:16:14,056 --> 00:16:16,011 I don't know, maybe a year ago. 273 00:16:16,012 --> 00:16:17,016 And how'd you know? 274 00:16:18,028 --> 00:16:19,083 It was a group. 275 00:16:19,084 --> 00:16:24,084 I went to for families who'd been affected by abuse. 276 00:16:25,036 --> 00:16:26,024 Was it this one? 277 00:16:29,036 --> 00:16:30,019 Yeah. 278 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:31,080 Did you meet Gale Watkins there? 279 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,019 I only went a couple times. 280 00:16:35,020 --> 00:16:36,040 I really don't remember. 281 00:16:37,096 --> 00:16:38,084 Who ran it? 282 00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:42,003 It was this circle. 283 00:16:42,004 --> 00:16:44,035 You start in a circle of chairs and just talk. 284 00:16:44,036 --> 00:16:45,019 I didn't think-- 285 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:48,027 Someone must of booked the hall, wasn't they? 286 00:16:48,028 --> 00:16:49,036 I guess. 287 00:16:50,056 --> 00:16:51,095 Who's number is this? 288 00:16:51,096 --> 00:16:53,007 It was just an answering service 289 00:16:53,008 --> 00:16:55,051 so that you could let them know if you were going. 290 00:16:55,052 --> 00:16:56,087 Where was it? 291 00:16:56,088 --> 00:16:59,063 Some sort of old council building. 292 00:16:59,064 --> 00:17:00,067 I think it was. 293 00:17:00,068 --> 00:17:03,012 It was behind Warren street. 294 00:17:06,056 --> 00:17:09,015 Greta, this file of phone contacts was amended 295 00:17:09,016 --> 00:17:11,060 on the day that Ray Collins was murdered. 296 00:17:13,004 --> 00:17:15,079 In fact, I mean it was only two hours 297 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,084 after our time of his death. 298 00:17:28,088 --> 00:17:31,063 I have a daughter who was sexually abused 299 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:33,039 and a husband serving eight years 300 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,096 in a high security prison. 301 00:17:35,088 --> 00:17:39,047 So perhaps you'd understand why I don't weep for 302 00:17:39,048 --> 00:17:41,068 men like Collins but I didn't kill him. 303 00:17:42,068 --> 00:17:45,043 Debbie did call me to tell me what happened. 304 00:17:45,044 --> 00:17:48,000 But when he died, I was in church with my daughter, 305 00:17:50,004 --> 00:17:52,019 thanking god for giving us all this strength 306 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:53,076 we needed to survive. 307 00:17:56,068 --> 00:17:58,067 She might of been telling the truth about her alibi 308 00:17:58,068 --> 00:18:02,048 but she's lying about other stuff, they all are. 309 00:18:03,072 --> 00:18:05,008 We keep the pressure on. 310 00:18:06,076 --> 00:18:08,999 So we just wanted to talk to you about something said 311 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,027 last time we spoke. 312 00:18:11,028 --> 00:18:15,063 You said, I struggle to cope 313 00:18:15,064 --> 00:18:17,031 with all the guilt. 314 00:18:17,032 --> 00:18:18,063 What he did, what his lawyer did, 315 00:18:18,064 --> 00:18:20,068 what the CPS did to our family. 316 00:18:23,032 --> 00:18:24,060 And I find that a bit odd. 317 00:18:25,064 --> 00:18:27,039 Cause actually it was you who withdrew 318 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,091 the cooperation that caused the case to collapse, 319 00:18:28,092 --> 00:18:30,023 wasn't it? 320 00:18:30,024 --> 00:18:32,007 Who told you that? 321 00:18:32,008 --> 00:18:33,047 I suppose it was CPS. 322 00:18:33,048 --> 00:18:35,095 Did they tell you why I withdrew cooperation? 323 00:18:35,096 --> 00:18:37,027 Why don't you tell me? 324 00:18:37,028 --> 00:18:39,023 Because your lot messed up. 325 00:18:39,024 --> 00:18:40,039 You interviewed one of my girls 326 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,039 without a responsible adult. 327 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,071 Because my solicitor said the defense 328 00:18:43,072 --> 00:18:44,083 would of made mince meat of her. 329 00:18:44,084 --> 00:18:46,080 Well why not just have her be interviewed again? 330 00:18:49,008 --> 00:18:50,092 I'm guessing you don't have kids. 331 00:18:52,008 --> 00:18:53,075 So you don't know what its like 332 00:18:53,076 --> 00:18:55,087 watching someone you love more than anything else 333 00:18:55,088 --> 00:18:58,015 in the world have to dredge it all up again 334 00:18:58,016 --> 00:19:00,000 and again and again. 335 00:19:01,016 --> 00:19:01,096 That's why. 336 00:19:12,024 --> 00:19:14,088 Tell me about your relationship with Greta Kashall. 337 00:19:16,064 --> 00:19:18,087 I don't have a relationship with Greta Kashall. 338 00:19:18,088 --> 00:19:19,091 Yeah but you know who she is, don't you? 339 00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:21,059 I met her a few times. 340 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:22,075 Where? 341 00:19:22,076 --> 00:19:25,067 At a support group I went to occasionally. 342 00:19:25,068 --> 00:19:26,047 But we're not friends. 343 00:19:26,048 --> 00:19:30,019 I've met her, we've spoken maybe twice as many years. 344 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:31,075 And Gale Watkins? 345 00:19:31,076 --> 00:19:33,007 Same. 346 00:19:33,008 --> 00:19:34,028 - At Scar? - yes. 347 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,051 Debbie, we have a warrant to search your house. 348 00:19:42,052 --> 00:19:44,079 When we do, you're gonna through your phone records 349 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,095 and your computer, and your diaries, 350 00:19:46,096 --> 00:19:48,012 and your address books. 351 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:50,064 You really think it was us. 352 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,083 Was it? 353 00:19:52,084 --> 00:19:53,067 No. 354 00:19:53,068 --> 00:19:56,043 Did you ask someone to do it for you? 355 00:19:56,044 --> 00:19:57,043 No. 356 00:19:57,044 --> 00:19:58,051 Do you know who did it? 357 00:19:58,052 --> 00:19:59,036 No. 358 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,007 Debbie, this your chance, 359 00:20:06,008 --> 00:20:07,043 this is your opportunity to tell us 360 00:20:07,044 --> 00:20:08,060 your side of the story. 361 00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:13,063 Because I think in your heart 362 00:20:13,064 --> 00:20:14,095 you want to talk to me. 363 00:20:14,096 --> 00:20:18,043 I think you are involved in these events somehow 364 00:20:18,044 --> 00:20:19,072 and I think you regret it. 365 00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:23,064 I think you regret it very much. 366 00:20:27,008 --> 00:20:28,032 I think you want to talk. 367 00:20:35,004 --> 00:20:38,004 No, I have nothing further to say. 368 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,079 Murder last week 369 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,067 are both as yet unnamed man. 370 00:20:51,068 --> 00:20:53,071 But its been confirmed by local resident 371 00:20:53,072 --> 00:20:56,015 that both men had been arrested previously 372 00:20:56,016 --> 00:20:58,027 in connection with allegations 373 00:20:58,028 --> 00:21:00,011 of child sex abuse. 374 00:21:13,044 --> 00:21:14,028 Staff. 375 00:21:15,044 --> 00:21:17,071 A result from the search of Debbie Collins' house, 376 00:21:17,072 --> 00:21:19,083 this was found in a kitchen drawer. 377 00:21:19,084 --> 00:21:22,075 Its got Greta Kashall in there and Gale Watkins 378 00:21:22,076 --> 00:21:23,083 and a number of other names 379 00:21:23,084 --> 00:21:25,075 which I'm guessing are other parents 380 00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:27,044 that she met at the support group. 381 00:21:32,028 --> 00:21:33,071 Okay, okay. 382 00:21:33,072 --> 00:21:35,047 We need to run this through intel PNC, CMS, 383 00:21:35,048 --> 00:21:36,035 custody and commander control. 384 00:21:36,036 --> 00:21:38,063 I want to know what the crimes against their kids were 385 00:21:38,064 --> 00:21:39,095 were the suspects were prosecuted, 386 00:21:39,096 --> 00:21:43,043 where all the suspects are now and where all those parents 387 00:21:43,044 --> 00:21:46,087 were when Statham, Collins, and Dornish were attacked. 388 00:21:46,088 --> 00:21:48,035 Ah yeah, we're getting closer. 389 00:21:48,036 --> 00:21:49,040 We're getting closer. 390 00:21:50,028 --> 00:21:51,048 This is good work, Dave. 391 00:22:02,072 --> 00:22:04,060 Oi, present. 392 00:22:05,072 --> 00:22:07,063 We all club together. 393 00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,047 - Shouldn't have. - That's what I said. 394 00:22:09,048 --> 00:22:10,052 Its just man flu. 395 00:22:11,096 --> 00:22:13,055 So the answering service number, 396 00:22:13,056 --> 00:22:15,019 did you get any draw from BT? 397 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:16,087 Yeah name and an address. 398 00:22:16,088 --> 00:22:19,091 Unfortunately the name is John Smith. 399 00:22:19,092 --> 00:22:23,059 Line and bills were registered to a service office 400 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:24,067 in the city. 401 00:22:24,068 --> 00:22:25,051 How were they paid? 402 00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:27,019 I'm waiting to hear back from the billing department. 403 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:29,091 They said it might take a couple of days so. 404 00:22:30,092 --> 00:22:32,023 Jesus, alright. 405 00:22:32,024 --> 00:22:34,087 Almost making me feel guilty. 406 00:22:34,088 --> 00:22:35,075 Almost. 407 00:22:35,076 --> 00:22:37,063 Right, I'm off to the Scar meeting, 408 00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:38,999 call me on the billing soon as. 409 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,095 Okay, just to be clear. 410 00:22:39,096 --> 00:22:41,051 This isn't what you give sick people, 411 00:22:41,052 --> 00:22:42,999 hasn't been for about 20 years 412 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,064 Yeah, tastes nice, doesn't it? 413 00:23:15,068 --> 00:23:17,004 I'll let you know, girls. 414 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,019 Will, as I said, 415 00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:20,071 they always paid in cash. 416 00:23:20,072 --> 00:23:21,087 I'd remember that. 417 00:23:21,088 --> 00:23:23,079 So when was the last time they came? 418 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,059 What? 419 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:26,003 The Scar group, when was the last time they met? 420 00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:27,019 Well I don't know. 421 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:28,091 About 18 months ago? 422 00:23:28,092 --> 00:23:29,092 Heres the paperwork. 423 00:23:31,064 --> 00:23:33,059 I should of chucked this out. 424 00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:35,047 In fact, I only saw it was still there 425 00:23:35,048 --> 00:23:36,032 when you rang. 426 00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:39,039 Do you think if we ask you take part in a video ID 427 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,047 you'd be able to recognize any of the people that were here? 428 00:23:41,048 --> 00:23:43,032 Maybe the ones who paid you the rent? 429 00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:45,007 Oh I don't know. 430 00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:46,083 Long time ago. 431 00:23:46,084 --> 00:23:47,087 Maybe. 432 00:23:47,088 --> 00:23:48,071 Okay. 433 00:23:48,072 --> 00:23:49,071 Well we'll give you shout when we're done. 434 00:23:49,072 --> 00:23:51,004 Thanks a lot for your help. 435 00:24:05,048 --> 00:24:06,055 Give me that. 436 00:24:06,056 --> 00:24:07,092 Its just a kids drawing. 437 00:24:15,044 --> 00:24:17,020 This is printed on a Holmes page. 438 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,080 Our Holmes? 439 00:24:21,044 --> 00:24:23,072 Only a cop would be able to print this out. 440 00:24:27,092 --> 00:24:28,072 Staff. 441 00:24:30,008 --> 00:24:31,016 Shit, when? 442 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,020 Okay. 443 00:24:37,012 --> 00:24:38,095 Nico Kashall just tried to top himself. 444 00:24:38,096 --> 00:24:39,080 Shit. 445 00:24:41,052 --> 00:24:43,092 I'm beginning to have very unpleasant thought. 446 00:24:45,088 --> 00:24:48,028 Kashall would of known Bob Jessup's pretty well. 447 00:24:49,064 --> 00:24:51,007 He'd of had a lot of contact with him 448 00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:51,091 and connection with the investigation. 449 00:24:51,092 --> 00:24:53,067 Whoa, that is quite a thing. 450 00:24:53,068 --> 00:24:56,011 Do you seriously think Jessup could be involved? 451 00:24:56,012 --> 00:24:57,047 This way. 452 00:24:57,048 --> 00:25:00,035 I don't know, I hope not. 453 00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:02,043 I'm consider it a possibility either way. 454 00:25:02,044 --> 00:25:03,083 I guess. 455 00:25:03,084 --> 00:25:05,068 Just keep this between us, yeah? 456 00:25:07,016 --> 00:25:08,000 Of course. 457 00:25:12,028 --> 00:25:13,012 DI Jessup. 458 00:25:16,036 --> 00:25:17,095 What about him? 459 00:25:17,096 --> 00:25:18,076 Well. 460 00:25:21,016 --> 00:25:22,076 You must have gotten to know him 461 00:25:23,076 --> 00:25:26,092 during the investigation case. 462 00:25:29,084 --> 00:25:31,004 I met him twice. 463 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,080 Our relationship with the family liaison officer. 464 00:25:38,052 --> 00:25:39,048 Hardly knew Jessup. 465 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,080 Who attacked Statham, Nico? 466 00:25:46,028 --> 00:25:48,048 Cause it wasn't you, was it? 467 00:25:49,044 --> 00:25:50,075 Did you pay someone? 468 00:25:50,076 --> 00:25:52,095 Did Jessup introduce you to someone? 469 00:25:52,096 --> 00:25:54,095 I mean you're an accountant, for Christ sake. 470 00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:56,999 How did you get ahold of chloroform? 471 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,079 Huh, how did you get into his house? 472 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,079 Gov. 473 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,011 Just stop lying to us, you little prick! 474 00:26:02,012 --> 00:26:02,096 Gov! 475 00:26:15,044 --> 00:26:16,067 We will all be scarred by this 476 00:26:16,068 --> 00:26:17,079 for the rest of our lives. 477 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,031 I've dreamed about killing 478 00:26:19,032 --> 00:26:20,063 him a million times. 479 00:26:20,064 --> 00:26:21,063 I thought about what I'd do, 480 00:26:21,064 --> 00:26:24,003 how much I'd make him suffer. 481 00:26:24,004 --> 00:26:25,083 The rage he felt 482 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,015 when they dropped the charges, 483 00:26:27,016 --> 00:26:28,088 the rage we all felt. 484 00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,072 He's not happy, bunny. 485 00:26:36,024 --> 00:26:37,007 What? 486 00:26:37,008 --> 00:26:39,075 I went through the list and checked all the names. 487 00:26:39,076 --> 00:26:41,083 Of the other victims cases all went to trial, 488 00:26:41,084 --> 00:26:44,023 no halted cases, no parents pulling out. 489 00:26:44,024 --> 00:26:45,003 Okay, okay. 490 00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:46,055 Except then this morning 491 00:26:46,056 --> 00:26:49,019 I saw an update on Holmes relating to one 492 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,007 of the surnames in Debbie Collin's diary. 493 00:26:52,008 --> 00:26:54,023 Another parent whose daughter was allegedly 494 00:26:54,024 --> 00:26:57,031 assaulted by a man named Mark Regis. 495 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:58,015 This guy? 496 00:26:58,016 --> 00:26:59,023 Yeah. 497 00:26:59,024 --> 00:27:00,083 So it turns out that Regis was released 498 00:27:00,084 --> 00:27:02,011 two days ago 499 00:27:02,012 --> 00:27:05,080 when the victims family suddenly withdrew their cooperation. 500 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,047 Do we have an address for him? 501 00:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,047 His bail address was his wife's. 502 00:27:14,048 --> 00:27:16,007 She just told me she chucked him out. 503 00:27:16,008 --> 00:27:17,023 Does she have any idea where she went? 504 00:27:17,024 --> 00:27:18,083 - No. - Well we need 505 00:27:18,084 --> 00:27:20,024 to find him, now. 506 00:27:49,008 --> 00:27:50,027 Yeah, can I have the number 507 00:27:50,028 --> 00:27:52,015 for my local police station, please? 508 00:27:52,016 --> 00:27:53,032 Grab the floor? 509 00:27:58,012 --> 00:27:59,044 And going out. 510 00:28:00,092 --> 00:28:01,072 Hello? 511 00:28:04,032 --> 00:28:06,003 And Harry's really loved spending time with you, 512 00:28:06,004 --> 00:28:07,047 thank you. 513 00:28:07,048 --> 00:28:08,091 What time are you pushing off tomorrow? 514 00:28:08,092 --> 00:28:12,043 Um, Paulo's got a job interview 515 00:28:12,044 --> 00:28:13,067 about three o'clock 516 00:28:13,068 --> 00:28:14,051 and then he'll come back here, 517 00:28:14,052 --> 00:28:16,023 we'll probably push off then. 518 00:28:16,024 --> 00:28:18,071 You can, you could stay tomorrow night. 519 00:28:18,072 --> 00:28:21,007 If you want, I can cook you something. 520 00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:24,007 He's got to meet a friend in town, so. 521 00:28:24,008 --> 00:28:26,055 Well why don't the three of us go out 522 00:28:26,056 --> 00:28:27,055 and you, me, and Harry, we catch a film? 523 00:28:27,056 --> 00:28:29,060 Its probably just best that I go with him. 524 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,048 Well, I'm gonna miss you both. 525 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:46,000 He's asked me to marry him. 526 00:28:49,096 --> 00:28:51,064 He wants to have more children. 527 00:28:52,088 --> 00:28:54,036 A brother and sister for Harry 528 00:28:55,052 --> 00:28:58,092 and you know how much I've wanted a real family. 529 00:29:00,032 --> 00:29:02,039 Will, and he's the loveliest person 530 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,051 when he doesn't drink. 531 00:29:03,052 --> 00:29:04,088 Promise you. 532 00:29:11,076 --> 00:29:12,060 Dinner! 533 00:29:16,068 --> 00:29:17,060 Well, um. 534 00:29:22,044 --> 00:29:25,036 If that's what will make you happy. 535 00:29:27,048 --> 00:29:29,000 I'm happy for you. 536 00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:38,096 What are you gonna ask me now? 537 00:29:46,048 --> 00:29:47,031 Delicious. 538 00:29:47,032 --> 00:29:48,016 Thank you. 539 00:29:49,092 --> 00:29:50,076 Risotto. 540 00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:22,011 Hey. 541 00:30:22,012 --> 00:30:23,091 You've been ignoring my calls. 542 00:30:23,092 --> 00:30:25,043 Uh yeah, sorry. 543 00:30:25,044 --> 00:30:27,083 Work's been insane. 544 00:30:27,084 --> 00:30:29,035 I was just calling to say 545 00:30:29,036 --> 00:30:30,076 if you do need me tomorrow 546 00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:33,028 I'm still around. 547 00:30:35,092 --> 00:30:37,036 How bout if I need you now? 548 00:31:31,044 --> 00:31:33,035 Police believe that further assaults 549 00:31:33,036 --> 00:31:35,051 may be imminent and have asked members 550 00:31:35,052 --> 00:31:37,003 of the public... 551 00:31:37,004 --> 00:31:37,084 Fuck! 552 00:32:02,016 --> 00:32:03,080 So is this the case 553 00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:06,020 or tomorrow or? 554 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:11,012 Oh Christ knows. 555 00:32:14,032 --> 00:32:16,052 I don't even know my own name at the moment. 556 00:32:18,016 --> 00:32:21,016 My latest wild theory is that Bob Jessup did it. 557 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,008 How is old Bob? 558 00:32:25,036 --> 00:32:27,020 Yeah if you think I'm in bad shape. 559 00:32:28,088 --> 00:32:30,028 I heard Sandra left him. 560 00:32:31,052 --> 00:32:32,051 How'd you hear that? 561 00:32:32,052 --> 00:32:34,071 She rang me after you and me split. 562 00:32:34,072 --> 00:32:35,068 We stayed in touch. 563 00:32:37,084 --> 00:32:38,088 I always like Sandra. 564 00:32:39,092 --> 00:32:42,019 She didn't deserve what he did. 565 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:43,023 What did he do? 566 00:32:43,024 --> 00:32:44,040 Had an affair. 567 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:46,080 What? 568 00:32:48,052 --> 00:32:49,059 You're joking? 569 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,039 Somebody actually let Bob Jessup 570 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,015 put his penis inside them. 571 00:32:53,016 --> 00:32:54,999 I thought you knew. 572 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,043 Oh my god. 573 00:32:56,044 --> 00:32:58,007 Who was the unlucky lady? 574 00:32:58,008 --> 00:32:59,067 Some woman from the CPS. 575 00:32:59,068 --> 00:33:01,003 - Yeah? - He met her on a case 576 00:33:01,004 --> 00:33:03,080 a Ruth, Ruth someone. 577 00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:28,083 Boss, it's me. 578 00:33:28,084 --> 00:33:29,068 It's Will. 579 00:33:31,024 --> 00:33:32,999 I need to talk to you. 580 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,067 I know you were seeing Ruth Merritt 581 00:33:34,068 --> 00:33:36,059 at the same time that she was handling 582 00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:38,055 the Kashall case. 583 00:33:38,056 --> 00:33:40,015 I could see your light from the street, sir, 584 00:33:40,016 --> 00:33:41,032 I know you're in there. 585 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000 Open the door, sir. 586 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,092 Suppose you better come in, then. 587 00:34:02,064 --> 00:34:05,008 I told you to walk away then! 588 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:30,051 Yeah? 589 00:34:30,052 --> 00:34:32,023 - Boss? - Yeah? 590 00:34:32,024 --> 00:34:34,008 - You alright? - Yeah. 591 00:34:36,008 --> 00:34:37,023 What's up? 592 00:34:37,024 --> 00:34:39,092 Bob Jessup just sent us a note. 593 00:34:40,084 --> 00:34:42,044 Its a confession to the attacks. 594 00:34:44,004 --> 00:34:45,020 I'm on my way. 595 00:35:02,028 --> 00:35:03,063 It was dropped in by him at two in the morning 596 00:35:03,064 --> 00:35:05,011 and its a full confession to Statham, 597 00:35:05,012 --> 00:35:06,071 Collins, and Dornish. 598 00:35:06,072 --> 00:35:09,019 We've got a team checking the airports 599 00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:11,091 and the ports but that was only opened at eight, 600 00:35:11,092 --> 00:35:13,036 so he'll have a head start. 601 00:35:17,084 --> 00:35:18,096 If you're gonna run 602 00:35:21,028 --> 00:35:22,044 why don't just run? 603 00:35:24,052 --> 00:35:25,044 Why all this? 604 00:35:32,016 --> 00:35:33,096 Unless its a distraction. 605 00:35:36,028 --> 00:35:38,011 You said we got people searching 606 00:35:38,012 --> 00:35:39,003 the ports for Jessup, 607 00:35:39,004 --> 00:35:40,020 searching the airports. 608 00:35:41,004 --> 00:35:42,079 Do we got anyone looking for him? 609 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,035 Mark Regis? 610 00:35:44,036 --> 00:35:45,071 Oh shit. 611 00:35:45,072 --> 00:35:47,043 We got an address for him now, so. 612 00:35:47,044 --> 00:35:48,028 I'm coming. 613 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,091 And you know. 614 00:35:50,092 --> 00:35:52,091 I'm sure I'm wrong, 615 00:35:52,092 --> 00:35:53,091 Jessup's our man 616 00:35:53,092 --> 00:35:55,031 and then Regis is fine 617 00:35:55,032 --> 00:35:56,068 but its just best to check. 618 00:36:01,012 --> 00:36:01,096 What's that? 619 00:36:02,084 --> 00:36:04,036 Its a list of Scar attendees. 620 00:36:06,008 --> 00:36:08,016 The one we found at Debbie Collins' house. 621 00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:10,083 Richard and Rebecca Allerton. 622 00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:11,068 Yeah? 623 00:36:15,008 --> 00:36:17,015 What was their story? 624 00:36:17,016 --> 00:36:19,023 Their daughter was raped three years ago. 625 00:36:19,024 --> 00:36:20,003 There was a full investigation 626 00:36:20,004 --> 00:36:21,020 but no one was caught. 627 00:36:22,072 --> 00:36:23,056 Uh okay. 628 00:36:26,072 --> 00:36:27,095 Okay. 629 00:36:27,096 --> 00:36:30,031 You guys, I'll meet you downstairs. 630 00:36:30,032 --> 00:36:31,092 Alright, just need to make a call. 631 00:36:52,008 --> 00:36:53,043 Rick. 632 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,079 Hello, Will. 633 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,032 Hey, where are you? 634 00:36:58,072 --> 00:37:00,068 Just out. 635 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Do we need to talk? 636 00:37:06,016 --> 00:37:08,003 What about? 637 00:37:08,004 --> 00:37:09,048 You and your missus? 638 00:37:12,024 --> 00:37:15,059 Why would we need to talk about me and Becca? 639 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:18,064 I've just seen a couple's name on a list. 640 00:37:21,076 --> 00:37:23,084 Richard and Rebecca Allerton. 641 00:37:25,056 --> 00:37:26,052 That's a good spot. 642 00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:29,028 We never did get married in the end. 643 00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:33,063 Right, you got a pen? 644 00:37:33,064 --> 00:37:35,067 I'll give you an address. 645 00:37:35,068 --> 00:37:36,060 Poplar DLR. 646 00:37:42,004 --> 00:37:42,087 You go on. 647 00:37:42,088 --> 00:37:44,051 Someone else have come up. 648 00:37:44,052 --> 00:37:45,051 Is everything okay? 649 00:37:45,052 --> 00:37:46,035 Its fine. 650 00:37:46,036 --> 00:37:47,028 I'll met you there. 651 00:38:15,084 --> 00:38:18,023 Hello sir, you called our station? 652 00:38:18,024 --> 00:38:19,007 Yeah, I did. 653 00:38:19,008 --> 00:38:20,019 Thanks for coming, officer. 654 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:21,052 Pleasure entirely, Mark. 655 00:38:29,004 --> 00:38:30,043 This one here. 656 00:38:30,044 --> 00:38:31,028 Yeah. 657 00:38:35,024 --> 00:38:36,007 Mr. Regis? 658 00:38:36,008 --> 00:38:39,011 Mr. Regis, is DI Pulford and DC Chancellor 659 00:38:39,012 --> 00:38:39,095 from the police. 660 00:38:39,096 --> 00:38:41,036 We just want to make sure you're okay. 661 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,059 Mr. Regis? 662 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:48,020 Mr. Regis, are you down here? 663 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,080 Rick? 664 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,064 Rick? 665 00:39:22,032 --> 00:39:23,095 Hello, mate. 666 00:39:23,096 --> 00:39:25,012 Do go through. 667 00:39:28,084 --> 00:39:30,012 Oh, Jesus Christ. 668 00:39:33,036 --> 00:39:34,048 Fun and games, eh? 669 00:39:36,036 --> 00:39:37,019 Rick, what are you doing? 670 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:38,079 This is insane. 671 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,003 Do you know what Mark here did to his victim, 672 00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:41,091 the details? 673 00:39:41,092 --> 00:39:43,047 Yeah, I read the files. 674 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:44,044 He raped her, Will. 675 00:39:45,096 --> 00:39:47,060 When she was 11 years old. 676 00:39:48,076 --> 00:39:51,008 And then told her 677 00:39:52,036 --> 00:39:54,095 if she went to the police, he'd find out where she lived 678 00:39:54,096 --> 00:39:58,095 and then rape and kill her mother. 679 00:40:00,092 --> 00:40:02,095 Been a bit of a star up till then. 680 00:40:02,096 --> 00:40:04,051 Six months later, she's cutting herself, 681 00:40:04,052 --> 00:40:05,039 smoking weed. 682 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,036 Now my little Shaunie 683 00:40:11,008 --> 00:40:12,032 chose pills. 684 00:40:13,052 --> 00:40:15,000 Becca found her in time. 685 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,056 I'm so sorry, Rick. 686 00:40:18,068 --> 00:40:20,056 I didn't know any of that until today. 687 00:40:21,092 --> 00:40:22,999 No but why should you? 688 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,024 Private matter. 689 00:40:26,044 --> 00:40:27,067 Yeah so the thing is, 690 00:40:27,068 --> 00:40:28,063 its not enough, is it? 691 00:40:28,064 --> 00:40:30,039 Just to lock them up. 692 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,079 Not even to kill them. 693 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,079 What they really need to understand 694 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,084 is the pain. 695 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:40,075 So then they can tell the others like them 696 00:40:40,076 --> 00:40:42,067 what its like and then maybe 697 00:40:42,068 --> 00:40:44,032 maybe they'll stop. 698 00:40:47,084 --> 00:40:48,079 I mean I'm not gonna lie, 699 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,023 its hard to get the right 700 00:40:50,024 --> 00:40:51,027 and one of the fuckers went and died on me. 701 00:40:51,028 --> 00:40:53,092 So I'm gonna go easy on old Mark here. 702 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,063 Please, please don't. 703 00:40:55,064 --> 00:40:56,048 Rick, Rick! 704 00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:58,059 What you reckon? 705 00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,095 Both feet? 706 00:40:59,096 --> 00:41:01,019 Foot and a hand? 707 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:04,007 What about Becca or Shaunie, huh? 708 00:41:04,008 --> 00:41:05,027 How are they gonna cope? 709 00:41:05,028 --> 00:41:06,059 How are they gonna cope with the pain 710 00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:08,080 of you being taken away for a life sentence? 711 00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:12,091 Already lost me, I'm afraid. 712 00:41:12,092 --> 00:41:14,060 You were wrong about the man flu. 713 00:41:16,048 --> 00:41:17,091 Tumor. 714 00:41:17,092 --> 00:41:21,096 Metastasized, stage four 715 00:41:23,008 --> 00:41:24,044 as of three weeks ago. 716 00:41:26,052 --> 00:41:27,080 There is no stage five. 717 00:41:28,092 --> 00:41:31,059 Gov, its JC, just wondering where you are. 718 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:33,023 Call me. 719 00:41:33,024 --> 00:41:35,067 Did he say anything about where he was going, Ray? 720 00:41:35,068 --> 00:41:37,047 No but, oh hang on. 721 00:41:37,048 --> 00:41:39,007 Yeah there's a post it on his desk. 722 00:41:39,008 --> 00:41:40,032 An address in Poplar. 723 00:41:42,092 --> 00:41:45,999 It was actually at Marsden that I met Bob Jessup 724 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,031 and we got chatting, as you do. 725 00:41:48,032 --> 00:41:50,011 Found out we're both old bill 726 00:41:50,012 --> 00:41:51,043 and then one day, 727 00:41:51,044 --> 00:41:54,027 he started to tell me about a showcase. 728 00:41:54,028 --> 00:41:57,080 Of course then I told him all about Shaunie 729 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:07,020 and he suggested we try Scar 730 00:42:09,052 --> 00:42:11,064 cause Greta and Nico went there and we did. 731 00:42:14,012 --> 00:42:17,068 You know, we all knew it wasn't enough 732 00:42:20,004 --> 00:42:20,084 and then, 733 00:42:22,072 --> 00:42:25,012 one day, Bob had this idea, 734 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,068 a rougher type of justice. 735 00:42:29,072 --> 00:42:31,047 After I did what I did to Statham, 736 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:33,091 I was asked to stop 737 00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:37,003 but then last month I found out 738 00:42:37,004 --> 00:42:38,071 I only had a few weeks and I thought no, 739 00:42:38,072 --> 00:42:39,079 fuck it, let's have some fun 740 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,075 and then when you rang just now, 741 00:42:42,076 --> 00:42:43,088 well I thought, yeah. 742 00:42:48,096 --> 00:42:49,080 This is my chance 743 00:42:53,072 --> 00:42:55,016 to give something back. 744 00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:57,079 Something back? 745 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,011 A chance for you to see what it looks like, 746 00:43:00,012 --> 00:43:01,067 what it feels like. 747 00:43:01,068 --> 00:43:03,079 Proper revenge. 748 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,023 You think I could do something like this? 749 00:43:05,024 --> 00:43:08,063 If you had the people who killed your parents here 750 00:43:08,064 --> 00:43:10,031 in this room right now, 751 00:43:10,032 --> 00:43:12,007 yes mate, I do. 752 00:43:12,008 --> 00:43:14,060 But hey, no point arguing a toss. 753 00:43:16,088 --> 00:43:19,084 Let's just find out what it feels like. 754 00:43:32,068 --> 00:43:33,052 No. 755 00:44:31,072 --> 00:44:32,064 Gov, Gov? 756 00:44:39,012 --> 00:44:40,079 sorry, sweetheart. 757 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,064 Will? 758 00:45:04,024 --> 00:45:05,068 Got it, cheers. 759 00:45:07,056 --> 00:45:09,083 They've got Jessup. 760 00:45:09,084 --> 00:45:10,083 Where? 761 00:45:10,084 --> 00:45:11,064 Dover. 762 00:45:14,068 --> 00:45:15,067 How much do you think they did know, 763 00:45:15,068 --> 00:45:17,024 the other families? 764 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,064 Enough. 765 00:45:36,068 --> 00:45:37,048 Bring em in. 766 00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:41,004 All of them. 767 00:45:56,004 --> 00:46:00,068 Listen um, if you and Paulo ever need any time 768 00:46:02,012 --> 00:46:03,091 to yourself, I mean, 769 00:46:03,092 --> 00:46:06,067 Harold can always come and stay at mine. 770 00:46:06,068 --> 00:46:09,035 I'll take leave, I'll do whatever needs to be done 771 00:46:09,036 --> 00:46:11,084 just to make sure that his well being 772 00:46:12,084 --> 00:46:14,056 was our number one priority. 773 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,004 We'll be fine, thank you. 774 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,012 Bye, Uncle Will.